My understanding is that the UniFi uses a centralized management software while the EdgeSwitch uses a local individual web/ssh management interface. It used to be you had more flexibility with the ssh command line interface but they have been releasing new iterations of the UniFi control software so that may not be true so much anymore.
We just ordered a 48 port EdgeSwitch, Amazon Warehouse scratch-and-dent to save money. Supposedly only had a scratched finish on the back but turned out to be DOA. Fans would run but no lights and no switching. The full price version wasn't prime, and we already have a Ubiquity wi-fi using the management software, so I ordered the UniFi 48-port switch--supposed to be here Wednesday.
For the UniFi, you can buy a small device (is it a RPi inside?) that has it running, or install it somewhere locally. At least for the hotspot, there's no way to administer the device directly, if I remember correctly.
https://hub.docker.com/r/jacobalberty/unifi/
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Unifi-Cloud-Key-Control/dp/B017T2QB22/
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To: "Kyle Brieden" <***@txmoose.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2017 11:09:20 AM
Subject: Re: [ale] Future-proofing a house for networking -- what to run?
Kyle,
Thanks for the info. I must applogize to you -- I read your reply
before seeing the one to which you were replying.
The cameras I plan to get require 12W each (well, the power supply they
come with is a 12V 1A power supply -- so I'm ASSUMING that it will want
to draw 12W from PoE). This means that the 250W swich can only support
20 cameras (which *MAY* be sufficient). So that would certainly save
~$200 versus the -500W version. On the other hand part of that 250W
probably needs to power the router itself, so it's probably fewer
cameras than that. So I might still need to go to the 500W version for
$523.
The Cisco you list below only has 12 PoE ports, which isn't sufficient.
Question: What is the difference between the UniFi Switch and the
EdgeSwitch?
-derek
I suppose I could have been more clear. I was not so much
recommending the specific gear I have as I was recommending Ubiquiti
as a brand, and noting the gear that I have as anecdotal evidence to
support my recommendation. If you've already got high enough density
switching infrastructure, don't change it for sake of having all your
gear be the same brand. Network gear is network gear, and it all
plays nice together... more or less, anyway. But Ubiquiti gear is, in
my experience, far less expensive than comparably featured, supported,
and classed gear from damn near any other manufacturer.
24 port managed PoE - $365 -
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-UniFi-Switch-Managed-US-24-250W/dp/B00OJZUQ24/
24 port managed PoE - $385 -
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-EdgeSwitch-ES-24-250W-24-Ports-Managed/dp/B00LV8Z2V2/
24 port managed PoE - $305 -
https://www.amazon.com/Cisco-SG200-26P-Ethernet-Mini-GBIC-SLM2024PT/dp/B004GHMU5Q/
24 port managed - $215 -
https://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-GS724Tv4-24-Port-Lifetime-Protection/dp/B00I5W5EGA/
24 port managed - $193 -
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-US-24-Unifi-Switch/dp/B01LZBLO0U/
24 port managed - $185 -
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-Edgeswitch-Gigabit-ES-24-LITE/dp/B013Z21ZJE/
There's lots of range and options, I was simply saying that I
recommend Ubiquiti. Their support is incredibly helpful and
knowledgeable (in my experience with them), their gear is high quality
and easy to deploy, and I've been happy with the products I've
purchased to date.
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Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden
Jim,
Yes, I know the US-24-500W is a 24-port switch. Kyle recommended an
8-port, which doesn't help me.
The PoE switch is, as I just said, for my PoE IP Camera network. My
main
network is separate. I cannot leverage any open ports on this
switch for
my main network (and I doubt the IP cameras suppose VLANs).
I've already got a Cisco SG200-50 for my main switch. For the few
additional PoE devices I have (currently: 2) I can just use standard
PoE
power injectors. They cost $17 each, which is much less than the
additional cost of a PoE capable switch. So if I need to add a
second AP,
I'll happily pay another $17 vs having to spend an additional
$100-200 for
a (second) PoE-capable switch.
I would also prefer to limit the number of switches if I can to
limit the
required cross-connects (which of course become bottlenecks).
-derek
Post by Jim KinneyThat's a 24-port 1G PoE switch. It provides power to 24 downstream
devices like phones, small switches and with some hacking, systems.
That particular switch is pretty useful for being a gateway switch for
other Ubiquiti WAPs (most all run on PoE).
https://www.amazon.com/Ubiquiti-Networks-802-11ac-Dual-Radio-UAP-AC-PRO
-US/dp/B015PRO512/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1505157073&sr=1-
1&keywords=ubiquiti%2BWAP&th=1
Due to a large, sheetmetal duct in the center of the house between
floors, there's a shadow in coverage that's not good. That $130 is a
low cost way to slap a second unit in the ceiling on the top floor to
fill in that shadow.
Just search Amazon for Ubiquiti. Lots of toys at very good prices.
Kyle,
The Unifi US-24-500W is $523 on Amazon. How is that
"inexpensive"? I
said I needed 16-24 ports, so not sure how an 8-port helps me. I do
admit
I didn't specify "rackmount" in my OP -- Mea Culpa. But I'd rather
find
something more in the $200 range for that purpose (a physically
private
network of IP security cameras).
Yes, I do have an Edgerouter for my main router, which replaced my
Routerboard because the RB750 couldn't keep up with my Gigapower
network.
I mostly like it.
Honestly I kind of like my DAP-2660 AC1200 AP and see little reason
to
switch. It's worked quite well for me.
Thanks,
-derek
EdgeOS, and absolutely LOVE my ubiquity gear. I got the Unifi 8
port
PoE switch, Unifi Security Gateway, and the WAP that support
802.11ac.
It has literally changed my home networking. Can't recommend it
enough.
I got all 3 of those seriously high grade boxes for about the
same
price you pay for a consumer router that supports 802.11ac.
HIGHLY recommend.
+1
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Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden
Post by Jim Kinneycom>
Jim,
Post by Jim Kinney10G multimode with lc connectors.
is it "easy" to build these? Are there LC connector keystone
jacks
available?
Post by Jim KinneyUnless you _really_ are forward looking and install 100G.
OM3 fiber looks like it will get to 40/100G
Post by Jim KinneyOtherwise install conduit and spare pull strings. That really
future-proofs an install.
I would plan for a 1" conduit with a single cat6, one rg6,
one low
voltage
Post by Jim Kinneyline (music) and a pull string.
I'm not sure this is REALLY an option for me.I feel it is
certainly a
more
expensive option vs just running a bunch of cables now.
Post by Jim KinneySpend money on a distribution center that all these lines
start from.
Good
Post by Jim Kinney10G switch, powered cable splitter, good remote adjustable
amp for
music
Yes. My current house has a 96-port RJ45 patch panel (2/3
full). I
would
definitely repeat that. Similar with audio -- I've got a 6-
zone amp
(although I dont think my current one is remotely adjustable --
but I
just
adjust via iTunes).
I'm still researching TV/HDMI distribution systems....
Oh, and trying to find a good 16-24-port PoE (10/)100/1000
switch.
Look at Ubiquity. They have a selection of PoE switches in
various
port counts and rather affordable pricing. I've got a WAP and a
16
port 10G switch from them. Pretty happy with both. Control
software is
closed source. Hardware looks like it may run the open switch
software
whose name escapes me.
-derek
Post by Jim Kinneyfp.com>
Post by Derek AtkinsHi Alers,
If you had the ability to future-proof your house (imagine
open
studs,
Post by Jim KinneyPost by Derek Atkinsso you could run anything you wanted), what would you
run. Assume a
max
of 6 cables per drop?
Last time I ran 4x Cat6A and 2x RG6. However I'm never
using both
RG6
Post by Jim KinneyPost by Derek AtkinsF-connectors, so I figured I could replace that with
something else.
And before you ask, yes, I *AM* using all 4 RJ45 connectors
in some
of
Post by Jim KinneyPost by Derek Atkinsmy drops (and in one place I wish I had MORE Rj45). So,
what else
should I run?
My current theory is 4x Cat6A, 1x RG6, and 1x Fiber.
However I'm not sure what kind of "fiber" to run, nor what
kind of
connector I should use.
Any suggestions or recommendations?
-derek
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