[ale] ovirt is rapidly losing it's charm

[James Taylor via Ale]

I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt



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[Beddingfield, Allen via Ale]

I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is still available. Put it together with the free version of Xen Orchestra, and you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.
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The University of Alabama
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***@ua.edu

On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale" <ale-***@ale.org on behalf of ***@ale.org> wrote:

I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt



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[James Taylor via Ale]

I'm leaning toward that, but I'd like to see if there's also a KVM based
alternative.
-jt


James Taylor
678-697-9420
I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is still
available. Put it together with the free version of Xen Orchestra, and
you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.

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Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
***@ua.edu

On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale"
<ale-***@ale.org on behalf of ***@ale.org> wrote:

I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find
something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs,
it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's
just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt



James Taylor
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[DJ-Pfulio via Ale]

Proxmox? I've never used it but it is KVM and Containers.

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I'm leaning toward that, but I'd like to see if there's also a KVM based
alternative.
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[Kyle Brieden via Ale]

Big +1 for proxmox. Debian + KVM + LXC with a batteries-included UI and
statistics.

---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by DJ-Pfulio via Ale
Proxmox? I've never used it but it is KVM and Containers.

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I'm leaning toward that, but I'd like to see if there's also a KVM based
alternative.
-jt

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[Kyle Brieden via Ale]

I ran XenServer.... or Xen something or other... Xen 4.4 I think?
Anyway, I ran Xen for probably 4 or 5 years. Was super stable, never
had any issues with it, but it was ... well Xen is the Gentoo of
hypervisors. There's so many knobs to twiddle and buttons to push, and
you have to really get under the hood for it.

Last month, I transitioned my home server to ProxMox. I feel like it
fits the "Poor Man's VMware Cluster" shoes VERY well. I am quite
pleased with it, and I can't wait to build a new desktop rig so that I
can transition my current one to node02 role and actually get into
clustering with ProxMox.

---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is still
available. Put it together with the free version of Xen Orchestra,
and you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.
--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale"
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find
something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs,
it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and
it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Beddingfield, Allen via Ale]

XenServer is the Citrix-owned/influenced bare metal distribution that installs similar to VMware ESXi. It is based on the Xen project, which can be used standalone with certain Linux distributions (similar to KVM). SUSE and Oracle are the main ones offering it, now.
Allen B.
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Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
***@ua.edu

On 5/4/18, 1:41 PM, "Kyle Brieden" <***@txmoose.com> wrote:

I ran XenServer.... or Xen something or other... Xen 4.4 I think?
Anyway, I ran Xen for probably 4 or 5 years. Was super stable, never
had any issues with it, but it was ... well Xen is the Gentoo of
hypervisors. There's so many knobs to twiddle and buttons to push, and
you have to really get under the hood for it.

Last month, I transitioned my home server to ProxMox. I feel like it
fits the "Poor Man's VMware Cluster" shoes VERY well. I am quite
pleased with it, and I can't wait to build a new desktop rig so that I
can transition my current one to node02 role and actually get into
clustering with ProxMox.

---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is still
available. Put it together with the free version of Xen Orchestra,
and you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.
--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale"
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find
something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs,
it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and
it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[James Taylor via Ale]

One of the frustrations with Citrix XenServer is, although it is based
onopensource Xen, the vm format is entirely different, and is a pain if
you have appliances that aren't built for it, or if you want to migrate
in & out.
And of course, appliance genrally don't get built for it until last, if
at all.
-jt
XenServer is the Citrix-owned/influenced bare metal distribution that
installs similar to VMware ESXi. It is based on the Xen project, which
can be used standalone with certain Linux distributions (similar to
KVM). SUSE and Oracle are the main ones offering it, now.
Allen B.

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Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
***@ua.edu

On 5/4/18, 1:41 PM, "Kyle Brieden" <***@txmoose.com> wrote:

I ran XenServer.... or Xen something or other... Xen 4.4 I think?

Anyway, I ran Xen for probably 4 or 5 years. Was super stable,
never
had any issues with it, but it was ... well Xen is the Gentoo of
hypervisors. There's so many knobs to twiddle and buttons to push,
and
you have to really get under the hood for it.

Last month, I transitioned my home server to ProxMox. I feel like
it
fits the "Poor Man's VMware Cluster" shoes VERY well. I am quite
pleased with it, and I can't wait to build a new desktop rig so
that I
can transition my current one to node02 role and actually get into

clustering with ProxMox.

---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is

still

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
available. Put it together with the free version of Xen

Orchestra,

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
and you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.
--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale"
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation,

everything

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find
something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs,
it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and
it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Kyle Brieden via Ale]

I could never keep straight what XenProject vs XenServer vs Citrix Xen
vs Xen was... Some of those may overlap. There's also 3 different xen
tool chains... xe, xl, and xm. Keeping straight which was what and
which I should be using documentation for was confusing. It's one of
the things that ultimately drove my decision to switch to ProxMox.


Fair warning: What you're about to read is awful. :P

For what it's worth, my DomUs were LVM partition backed, but I used
qemu-img to crunch those into VHDs. Then I transferred those VHDs over
to my windows desktop and booted them with VirtualBox so that the
services would stay up while I reinstalled my HVZ. Once that was done,
I exported the VHDs from VirtualBox into something that KVM uses (can't
remember what off hand), and moved them over to my proxmox machine.
Booted em up and was back off to the races. Changed a single-node
hypervisor solution over from Xen to ProxMox with 2 reboots and only ~10
minutes downtime on all my VMs.

Felt dirty running services off VirtualBox in Windows, but it worked, so
I can't really complain.



---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
XenServer is the Citrix-owned/influenced bare metal distribution that
installs similar to VMware ESXi. It is based on the Xen project,
which can be used standalone with certain Linux distributions (similar
to KVM). SUSE and Oracle are the main ones offering it, now.
Allen B.
--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
I ran XenServer.... or Xen something or other... Xen 4.4 I think?
Anyway, I ran Xen for probably 4 or 5 years. Was super stable, never
had any issues with it, but it was ... well Xen is the Gentoo of
hypervisors. There's so many knobs to twiddle and buttons to push, and
you have to really get under the hood for it.
Last month, I transitioned my home server to ProxMox. I feel like it
fits the "Poor Man's VMware Cluster" shoes VERY well. I am quite
pleased with it, and I can't wait to build a new desktop rig so that I
can transition my current one to node02 role and actually get into
clustering with ProxMox.
---
Very respectfully,
Kyle Brieden

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
I know it seems to have fallen out of favor, but XenServer is

still

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
available. Put it together with the free version of Xen

Orchestra,

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
and you have a "poor man's VMware cluster".
Allen B.
--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
On 5/4/18, 11:17 AM, "Ale on behalf of James Taylor via Ale"
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few

VMs

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in

the

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation,

everything

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think

I'm

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as

find

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat

VMs,

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support,

and

Post by Beddingfield, Allen via Ale
it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Denny Chambers via Ale]

You can get up to date docs through RH. RH just takes ovirt and rebrands it.

You shouldn't need a login for this documentation.

https://access.redhat.com/documentation/en-us/red_hat_virtualization/


Denny

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Derek Atkins via Ale]

Hi,

I started with 4.0 and am now running 4.1 (haven't upgraded to 4.2, yet).

What, specifically, is missing or are you trying to do?

For the record, I have a bunch of different platform VMs including CentOS,
Fedora, and Windows. But generally I just let the thing run and don't
touch it.

-derek

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running
on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x
releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to
the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to
punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something
more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's
great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just
too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Derek Atkins via Ale]

Hi,

I just got back and was able to check. There is a
virtio-win-0.1.141-1.noarch package that I have installed on my ovirt
host. This is what provides the virtio drivers for Windows. You do need
to specifically load them during the installation and also just after
installation as well (otherwise the VM could get locked up).

Hope this helps!

-derek

For one thing, there are references all over the place for the
virtio-win.vfd that is needed for a windows install.
I have looked all over hell for it, and can't find a copy available
anywhere.
Nor is it on the hosted ovirt engine I'm running.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
Hi,
I started with 4.0 and am now running 4.1 (haven't upgraded to 4.2, yet).
What, specifically, is missing or are you trying to do?
For the record, I have a bunch of different platform VMs including CentOS,
Fedora, and Windows. But generally I just let the thing run and don't
touch it.
-derek

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running
on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x
releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to
the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to
punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something
more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's
great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just
too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[DJ-Pfulio via Ale]

Virtio-win stuff is a dual edged sword.

It is slightly less overhead and slightly better performance, but if you
move the storage over to using it, then you have to remember when
troubleshooting to load those drivers when you are having trouble
booting. Usually takes me about 20 minutes to remember that about once
a year when Windows refuses to boot due to some sort of corruption.

Just a thought. OTOH, you can setup virtio-scsi devices and use standard
SCSI drivers in Windows which remove some of the limitations that virtio
drivers bring, while keeping the (theoretically) lower overhead and
faster I/O. I can't remember if libvirt supports a menu for picking
virtio-scsi, but in the libvirt XML file, the bus=scsi and
model=virtio-scsi will cause the vda --> sda device names. ;) I
understand virtio storage has some limit for the number of devices it
can support, whereas the SCSI limits are effectively unlimited.

I've been testing virt-scsi on a Linux VM about 2 months. No issues.
Feels about time to switch my Windows VM over to it during the next
maintenance period.

Post by Derek Atkins via Ale
Hi,
I just got back and was able to check. There is a
virtio-win-0.1.141-1.noarch package that I have installed on my ovirt
host. This is what provides the virtio drivers for Windows. You do need
to specifically load them during the installation and also just after
installation as well (otherwise the VM could get locked up).
Hope this helps!
-derek

For one thing, there are references all over the place for the
virtio-win.vfd that is needed for a windows install.
I have looked all over hell for it, and can't find a copy available
anywhere.
Nor is it on the hosted ovirt engine I'm running.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
Hi,
I started with 4.0 and am now running 4.1 (haven't upgraded to 4.2, yet).
What, specifically, is missing or are you trying to do?
For the record, I have a bunch of different platform VMs including CentOS,
Fedora, and Windows. But generally I just let the thing run and don't
touch it.
-derek

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs running
on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the 4.x
releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything refers to
the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm going to
punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as find something
more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's
great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's just
too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

I have rhel, fedora,win 8, win 10, win server 2008, ubuntu as VMs. All
works just fine.

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I finally got an ovirt cluster installed, and even have a few VMs
running on it, but the entire management interface was changed in the
4.x releases, and every time I try to find documentation, everything
refers to the previous interfaces, and it doesn't apply.
I've wasted a ridiculous amount of time on this, and I think I'm
going to punt it and start over with another solution, as soon as
find something more manageable.
I suppose if you wanted ti use it to run a bunch of Red Hat VMs, it's
great, but I have a lot of different platforms to support, and it's
just too much of a pain to get going with it.
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
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[Scott Plante via Ale]

To add to that list, there's now a(nother?) crowd-funded open source alternative to XenServer called XCP-NG. It uses the open source Xen but packages it as an install ISO like XenServer without the limitations added by Citrix. It's pretty new but seems to have potential. I haven't installed it yet though.


https://xcp-ng.org/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/78495858/xcp-ng


It was initiated by the people behind Xen Orchestra, the web-based (partially?) open source XenServer admin tool. One of the most irritating things about XenServer is their GUI admin tools is Windows only, and the only Windows boxes we have are VMs on our XenServer, which can create a chicken-and-egg situation. This led me to use Xen Orchestra some years ago but I can do most of what I need command line now.


https://xen-orchestra.com/


Scott



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From: "Kyle Brieden via Ale" <***@ale.org>
To: "Allen Beddingfield" <***@ua.edu>, "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <***@ale.org>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:51:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] ovirt is rapidly losing it's charm

I could never keep straight what XenProject vs XenServer vs Citrix Xen
vs Xen was... Some of those may overlap. There's also 3 different xen
tool chains... xe, xl, and xm. Keeping straight which was what and
which I should be using documentation for was confusing. It's one of
the things that ultimately drove my decision to switch to ProxMox.

[James Taylor via Ale]

I've looked at that, but I believe it still uses the citrix xenserver vm disk type and xentools.
I don't want to have to keep dealing with compatibility issues I've run into with that.

By the way, the link to the red hat doc pointed me to what I needed to finally get a windows server installed into ovirt.'

I have one issue I haven't followed up on, and that is adding another nic to my management/production network.
It isn't editable from the ovirt manager.
Any suggestions?
-jt



James Taylor
678-697-9420
To add to that list, there's now a(nother?) crowd-funded open source alternative to XenServer called XCP-NG. It uses the open source Xen but packages it as an install ISO like XenServer without the limitations added by Citrix. It's pretty new but seems to have potential. I haven't installed it yet though.


https://xcp-ng.org/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/78495858/xcp-ng


It was initiated by the people behind Xen Orchestra, the web-based (partially?) open source XenServer admin tool. One of the most irritating things about XenServer is their GUI admin tools is Windows only, and the only Windows boxes we have are VMs on our XenServer, which can create a chicken-and-egg situation. This led me to use Xen Orchestra some years ago but I can do most of what I need command line now.


https://xen-orchestra.com/


Scott



----- Original Message -----

From: "Kyle Brieden via Ale" <***@ale.org>
To: "Allen Beddingfield" <***@ua.edu>, "Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts" <***@ale.org>
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:51:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] ovirt is rapidly losing it's charm

I could never keep straight what XenProject vs XenServer vs Citrix Xen
vs Xen was... Some of those may overlap. There's also 3 different xen
tool chains... xe, xl, and xm. Keeping straight which was what and
which I should be using documentation for was confusing. It's one of
the things that ultimately drove my decision to switch to ProxMox.


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Multi-nic on management network is done with a bond. Add new nic in
cluster and then in each host and lastly add to the VMs

Post by James Taylor via Ale
I've looked at that, but I believe it still uses the citrix xenserver
vm disk type and xentools.
I don't want to have to keep dealing with compatibility issues I've run into with that.
By the way, the link to the red hat doc pointed me to what I needed
to finally get a windows server installed into ovirt.'
I have one issue I haven't followed up on, and that is adding another
nic to my management/production network.
It isn't editable from the ovirt manager.
Any suggestions?
-jt
James Taylor
678-697-9420
To add to that list, there's now a(nother?) crowd-funded open source
alternative to XenServer called XCP-NG. It uses the open source Xen
but packages it as an install ISO like XenServer without the
limitations added by Citrix. It's pretty new but seems to have
potential. I haven't installed it yet though.
https://xcp-ng.org/
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/78495858/xcp-ng
It was initiated by the people behind Xen Orchestra, the web-based
(partially?) open source XenServer admin tool. One of the most
irritating things about XenServer is their GUI admin tools is Windows
only, and the only Windows boxes we have are VMs on our XenServer,
which can create a chicken-and-egg situation. This led me to use Xen
Orchestra some years ago but I can do most of what I need command
line now.
https://xen-orchestra.com/
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:51:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ale] ovirt is rapidly losing it's charm
I could never keep straight what XenProject vs XenServer vs Citrix Xen
vs Xen was... Some of those may overlap. There's also 3 different xen
tool chains... xe, xl, and xm. Keeping straight which was what and
which I should be using documentation for was confusing. It's one of
the things that ultimately drove my decision to switch to ProxMox.
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