[ale] Docker containers as a desktop environment

[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Yeah. Subject line is my new thinking. Probably time for my meds (12oz, pint, or bomber of something I can see through all seem to be effective).

What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar bootable os that runs containers only) with containers that pull applications into availability and a container that handles storage to a cloud space? Could X/wayland even function in a container.

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[Pete Hardie via Ale]

Isn't it fairly common to run a VM as desktop


On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> Yeah. Subject line is my new thinking. Probably time for my meds (12oz,
> pint, or bomber of something I can see through all seem to be effective).
>
> What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar bootable
> os that runs containers only) with containers that pull applications into
> availability and a container that handles storage to a cloud space? Could
> X/wayland even function in a container.
>
> Pontificate and speculate!
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[dev null zero two via Ale]

this has been done

https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Pete Hardie via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> Isn't it fairly common to run a VM as desktop
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>
>> Yeah. Subject line is my new thinking. Probably time for my meds (12oz,
>> pint, or bomber of something I can see through all seem to be effective).
>>
>> What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar bootable
>> os that runs containers only) with containers that pull applications into
>> availability and a container that handles storage to a cloud space? Could
>> X/wayland even function in a container.
>>
>> Pontificate and speculate!
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Freakin' awesome!!!! That's exactly what I'm looking for!

On April 4, 2018 8:27:39 PM EDT, dev null zero two via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>this has been done
>
>https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/
>
>On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Pete Hardie via Ale <***@ale.org>
>wrote:
>
>> Isn't it fairly common to run a VM as desktop
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 8:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale <***@ale.org>
>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah. Subject line is my new thinking. Probably time for my meds
>(12oz,
>>> pint, or bomber of something I can see through all seem to be
>effective).
>>>
>>> What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar
>bootable
>>> os that runs containers only) with containers that pull applications
>into
>>> availability and a container that handles storage to a cloud space?
>Could
>>> X/wayland even function in a container.
>>>
>>> Pontificate and speculate!
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On Wed, 4 Apr 2018 20:27:39 -0400
dev null zero two via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> this has been done
>
> https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/

The preceding info was the first argument that ever got me personally
interested in containers. I looooove leaving Pulseaudio and Skype in
their own little room together, away from the more well behaved.

SteveT

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[Alex Carver via Ale]

One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has you
downloading someone's container from somewhere.

If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within a
container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build all of
that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really are a
little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind trying it
out just for browsers.

It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the docker
method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or modifications. For
example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then install
the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I forgot
(e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install methods.
The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start that VM
those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method is that
everything has to be installed either in the original image or on the
fly by the docker container script as the image starts but, again, this
is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.

If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them and
try it out.
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[Alex Carver via Ale]

Yes but not what I'm asking. You're still pulling from a public
repository. I'm talking about making a container totally from scratch,
no public repositories.

On 2018-04-08 12:13, tosh noway wrote:
> https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/
>
> FROM alpine:lastest
> RUN echo “hello from docker”
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Alex Carver via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>
>> One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
>> container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has you
>> downloading someone's container from somewhere.
>>
>> If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within a
>> container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build all of
>> that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really are a
>> little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind trying it
>> out just for browsers.
>>
>> It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the docker
>> method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or modifications. For
>> example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then install
>> the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I forgot
>> (e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install methods.
>> The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start that VM
>> those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method is that
>> everything has to be installed either in the original image or on the
>> fly by the docker container script as the image starts but, again, this
>> is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.
>>
>> If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them and
>> try it out.
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[Alex Carver via Ale]

Right, I want to start from the base up and not rely on a public
repository. That was the overall part of the question. With a VM, you
spin up the VM and install your own OS inside it however you see fit
then install the software inside that OS however you see fit. All the
Docker examples I find pull from public repositories but don't describe
standing something up from scratch.

On 2018-04-08 13:05, tosh noway wrote:
> You want to build your own OS ?
>
> On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 4:05 PM Alex Carver <agcarver+***@acarver.net> wrote:
>
>> Yes but not what I'm asking. You're still pulling from a public
>> repository. I'm talking about making a container totally from scratch,
>> no public repositories.
>>
>> On 2018-04-08 12:13, tosh noway wrote:
>>> https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/
>>>
>>> FROM alpine:lastest
>>> RUN echo “hello from docker”
>>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Alex Carver via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
>>>> container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has you
>>>> downloading someone's container from somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within a
>>>> container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build all of
>>>> that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really are a
>>>> little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind trying it
>>>> out just for browsers.
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the docker
>>>> method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or modifications. For
>>>> example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then install
>>>> the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I forgot
>>>> (e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install methods.
>>>> The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start that VM
>>>> those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method is that
>>>> everything has to be installed either in the original image or on the
>>>> fly by the docker container script as the image starts but, again, this
>>>> is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them and
>>>> try it out.
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>>
>>
>

[Putnam, James M. via Ale]

https://embano1.github.io/post/scratch/

starts with a zero length scratch image and builds upward. May not be
exactly what you want, but it gets you started.

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Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:04 PM
To: tosh noway; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Docker containers as a desktop environment

Yes but not what I'm asking. You're still pulling from a public
repository. I'm talking about making a container totally from scratch,
no public repositories.

On 2018-04-08 12:13, tosh noway wrote:
> https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/
>
> FROM alpine:lastest
> RUN echo “hello from docker”
>
> On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Alex Carver via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>
>> One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
>> container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has you
>> downloading someone's container from somewhere.
>>
>> If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within a
>> container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build all of
>> that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really are a
>> little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind trying it
>> out just for browsers.
>>
>> It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the docker
>> method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or modifications. For
>> example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then install
>> the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I forgot
>> (e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install methods.
>> The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start that VM
>> those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method is that
>> everything has to be installed either in the original image or on the
>> fly by the docker container script as the image starts but, again, this
>> is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.
>>
>> If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them and
>> try it out.
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

https://docs.docker.com/develop/develop-images/baseimages/
You build from a dockerfile and add the line:
FROM scratch # this means nothing, blank
-OR-
create a full image from a currently running OS using tar (debian has a
tool for this)
The CentOS mkimage-yum.sh script very distro specific and also very
capable.
On Sun, 2018-04-08 at 13:04 -0700, Alex Carver via Ale wrote:
> Yes but not what I'm asking. You're still pulling from a public
> repository. I'm talking about making a container totally from
> scratch,
> no public repositories.
>
> On 2018-04-08 12:13, tosh noway wrote:
> > https://docs.docker.com/engine/reference/builder/
> >
> > FROM alpine:lastest
> > RUN echo “hello from docker”
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM Alex Carver via Ale <***@ale.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
> > > container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has
> > > you
> > > downloading someone's container from somewhere.
> > >
> > > If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within
> > > a
> > > container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build
> > > all of
> > > that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really
> > > are a
> > > little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind
> > > trying it
> > > out just for browsers.
> > >
> > > It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the
> > > docker
> > > method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or
> > > modifications. For
> > > example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then
> > > install
> > > the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I
> > > forgot
> > > (e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install
> > > methods.
> > > The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start
> > > that VM
> > > those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method
> > > is that
> > > everything has to be installed either in the original image or on
> > > the
> > > fly by the docker container script as the image starts but,
> > > again, this
> > > is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.
> > >
> > > If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them
> > > and
> > > try it out.
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[Derek Carter via Ale]

An example of using Buildah to build a container (from scratch):
https://www.projectatomic.io/blog/2018/03/building-buildah-container-image-for-kubernetes/

Docker images are just a tarball and metadata.
There are a few tools which create them.

The "Frazelle Method" is my name for the blog post by Jessie Frazelle
mentioned earlier:
https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/docker-containers-on-the-desktop/
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[Narahari 'n' Savitha via Ale]

Bingo. I have been searching for this one too but no luck. I am willing
to live with from-a-given image approach but I need to be able to build my
own so I can know what goes in.

If anyone has any pointers it will greatly help.

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 3:32 PM, Alex Carver via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> One thing I haven't been able to find is how to create a docker
> container in the first place from scratch. Every tutorial has you
> downloading someone's container from somewhere.
>
> If I wanted to experiment with running let's say a browser within a
> container on any OS, where can you go to find out how to build all of
> that? At the moment I just spin up VM's but if containers really are a
> little lighter on the system than a full VM, I wouldn't mind trying it
> out just for browsers.
>
> It seems to me, though, there's a slight inflexibility in the docker
> method versus VM method in terms of updating and/or modifications. For
> example, if I create a brand new VM, install a bare OS and then install
> the browser, I can possibly go back in later and add something I forgot
> (e.g. Java, flash, etc.) just by using the guest OS's install methods.
> The new data is merged in right away and the next time I start that VM
> those changes are made. My understanding with the Docker method is that
> everything has to be installed either in the original image or on the
> fly by the docker container script as the image starts but, again, this
> is relying on someone else's docker-ready stuff.
>
> If anyone has pointers on this kind of thing I'd like to see them and
> try it out.
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[DJ-Pfulio via Ale]

If you need less than a container, perhaps firejail can work?
It should be in current repos.

I use it for browsers.

On 04/04/2018 08:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
> Yeah. Subject line is my new thinking. Probably time for my meds (12oz,
> pint, or bomber of something I can see through all seem to be effective).
>
> What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar
> bootable os that runs containers only) with containers that pull
> applications into availability and a container that handles storage to a
> cloud space? Could X/wayland even function in a container.
>
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[Derek Carter via Ale]

I'm running Fedora atomic workstation with a few apps installed via flatpak
and the rest done via the frazellie method.

[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Frazellie method?

On April 4, 2018 10:51:15 PM EDT, Derek Carter via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>I'm running Fedora atomic workstation with a few apps installed via
>flatpak
>and the rest done via the frazellie method.

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Would this be something similar to RancherOS?
https://rancher.com/rancher-os/


On 4/4/2018 7:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
<snipped>
> What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar
> bootable os that runs containers only) with containers that pull
> applications into availability and a container that handles storage to a
> cloud space? Could X/wayland even function in a container.

Preston
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

I guess I should google things better :-)
Yep! That's another full example.
I've got to ramp up some container knowledge to catch up and get ahead
of an oncoming freight train of container projects. (ha! freight train
of containers. see what i did there :-)
On Thu, 2018-04-05 at 09:23 -0500, Preston via Ale wrote:
> Would this be something similar to RancherOS?
> https://rancher.com/rancher-os/
>
>
> On 4/4/2018 7:21 PM, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
> <snipped>
> > What would it take to have a micro box (fedora atomic or similar
> > bootable os that runs containers only) with containers that pull
> > applications into availability and a container that handles storage
> > to a
> > cloud space? Could X/wayland even function in a container.
>
> Preston
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/