[ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

[Sean Kilpatrick via Ale]

Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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[Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale]

Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite bland.


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[Pete Hardie via Ale]

Odd, I usually find the craft beer selections lean heavily to IPAs and
other hoppy varieties

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale <***@ale.org>
wrote:

> Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've
> also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.
>
> If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing
> that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because
> most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite
> bland.
>
>
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Lately the craft market has been cranking out sours and gose and other
styles that have always been minor players on on the big stage. It's
hard to find a steady supply of brown ales, porters, and stouts that
altered by adding some fruit or coffee or chocolate or <found this in
the back of the fridge> adjunct (HEMP SEEDS?!?!?! WTF?!?!?).
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:15 -0400, Pete Hardie via Ale wrote:
> Odd, I usually find the craft beer selections lean heavily to IPAs
> and other hoppy varieties
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale <***@ale.o
> rg> wrote:
> > Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my
> > favorite. I've also found a couple from India oddly enough that I
> > like.
> >
> >
> >
> > If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout.
> > Failing that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am
> > disappointed because most offerings are pale ales of one sort or
> > another and I find those quite bland.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> > Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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[Beddingfield, Allen via Ale]

I've been asking for a couple of years: What's the deal with bitter and sour beer? I've never thought of "bitter" or "sour" as positive adjectives to describe anything. The European stuff has been pushed out of the cooler and has been replaced with bitter and sour hipster brew as the "top shelf" option in most places.
Gotos for me:
Kronenberg, Carlsberg, Stella Artois, Old Speckled Hen, Samuel Smith's, Old Peculiar, Pilsner Urquel, Boddingtons, or Red Stripe
Most of the local/craft stuff has more hops than a rabbit farm :D

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On 3/22/18, 2:26 PM, "Ale on behalf of Jim Kinney via Ale" <ale-***@ale.org on behalf of ***@ale.org> wrote:

Lately the craft market has been cranking out sours and gose and other styles that have always been minor players on on the big stage. It's hard to find a steady supply of brown ales, porters, and stouts that altered by adding some fruit or coffee or chocolate
or <found this in the back of the fridge> adjunct (HEMP SEEDS?!?!?! WTF?!?!?).


On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:15 -0400, Pete Hardie via Ale wrote:

Odd, I usually find the craft beer selections lean heavily to IPAs and other hoppy varieties



On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 3:04 PM, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale
<***@ale.org> wrote:

Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite bland.


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Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Raj Wurttemberg via Ale]

I like dark (no spiced!) rum, but I tend to like Guinness, Boddingtons, and
other darker ales. To me... IPAs taste like grapefruit and I avoid all
IPAs.

Thanks,
/Raj

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Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've
also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing
that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because
most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite
bland.


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Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03-21/why-bland-american-beer-here-stay


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[Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale]

I often have to explain to wait staff (and some bartenders) that in no way is Captain Morgan's a reasonable substitute for Myers. If I have to I'll drink Bacardi but as often as not I'll just go with water if I can't find a decent beer or a Myer's.

Oddly when I lived in Grenada (the island - not Mississippi) I couldn't find a decent rum to save my life. I'd usually drink rum punch (because you couldn't taste how bad the rum was) or Red Stripe beer. They did have a local liqueur called Le Grenade that was made from nutmet (their chief export) that wasn't bad. I often wonder if all the good rum got shipped north to the US.

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I like dark (no spiced!) rum, but I tend to like Guinness, Boddingtons, and
other darker ales. To me... IPAs taste like grapefruit and I avoid all
IPAs.

Thanks,
/Raj

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Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've
also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing
that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite bland.


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Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03-21/why-bland-american-beer-here-stay


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[Raj Wurttemberg via Ale]

Agreed! LOL! I'm not a fan of spiced rums but I have found a "craft rum"
that I really like. It's called Bumbu, not many liquor stores have it, but I
highly recommend it.

http://www.bumbu.com

I did see a rum from Georgia... but I wasn't ready to pay $55 for it that
day. Ha! Ha!

(Off to go Google what a 'nutmet' is...) :)

Thanks,
/Raj

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I often have to explain to wait staff (and some bartenders) that in no way
is Captain Morgan's a reasonable substitute for Myers. If I have to I'll
drink Bacardi but as often as not I'll just go with water if I can't find a
decent beer or a Myer's.

Oddly when I lived in Grenada (the island - not Mississippi) I couldn't find
a decent rum to save my life. I'd usually drink rum punch (because you
couldn't taste how bad the rum was) or Red Stripe beer. They did have a
local liqueur called Le Grenade that was made from nutmet (their chief
export) that wasn't bad. I often wonder if all the good rum got shipped
north to the US.

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From: Ale [mailto:ale-***@ale.org] On Behalf Of Raj Wurttemberg via Ale
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:49 PM
To: 'Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts'
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I like dark (no spiced!) rum, but I tend to like Guinness, Boddingtons, and
other darker ales. To me... IPAs taste like grapefruit and I avoid all
IPAs.

Thanks,
/Raj

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Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've
also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing
that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because
most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite
bland.


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Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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[Beddingfield, Allen via Ale]

Meyers is definitely the best, but you don't really see it "featured" many places, and don't see many advertisements from them.

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On 3/22/18, 2:04 PM, "Ale on behalf of Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale" <ale-***@ale.org on behalf of ***@ale.org> wrote:

Personally I prefer dark rum - Myer's Jamaican dark is my favorite. I've also found a couple from India oddly enough that I like.

If I have to drink beer I first see if they have Guinness Stout. Failing that I look to the "craft" beers but often enough am disappointed because most offerings are pale ales of one sort or another and I find those quite bland.


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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Yep. The "dark ages" ruined American taste buds.
Twains currently has a very good stout on tap. They got a new brewer
and the beer quality went up markedly.
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 14:42 -0400, Sean Kilpatrick via Ale wrote:
> Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Steve Litt via Ale]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:42:41 -0400
Sean Kilpatrick via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
> https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03-21/why-bland-american-beer-here-stay

Here's what we drank on the Venice (California) Boardwalk back in the
1980's. Extra points if you drank it out of a brown paper bag.

https://www.walmart.com/ip/King-Cobra-Premium-Malt-Liquor-16-0-FL-OZ/157126569

SteveT

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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high schooler
making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).
That said I recall the big hoopla when Georgia finally got legal Coors.
Talk about an underwhelming experience.
On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 15:31 -0400, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:42:41 -0400
> Sean Kilpatrick via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>
> > Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
> > https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-03-21/why-bland-american-beer-here
> > -stay
>
> Here's what we drank on the Venice (California) Boardwalk back in the
> 1980's. Extra points if you drank it out of a brown paper bag.
>
> https://www.walmart.com/ip/King-Cobra-Premium-Malt-Liquor-16-0-FL-OZ/
> 157126569
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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> of the Successful Technologist
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- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Steve Litt via Ale]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
Jim Kinney <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
> schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).

Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in Georgia
I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when you drank from
the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.

SteveT

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[Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale]

Real men (or teens that thought we were men) drank Mad Dog back in my day.

The trick to drinking that was to guzzle so fast your taste buds didn't have a chance to make your brain revolt against it and cause your lips to snap shut in self-defense.



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On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
Jim Kinney <***@gmail.com> wrote:

> Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
> schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).

Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in Georgia I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when you drank from the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.

SteveT

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[Steve Litt via Ale]

I was a hippie so I drank Ripple, Boones Farm and Andre Cold Duck. When
you make $2.50/hr and have a $70 rent, compromises must be made.

SteveT

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> Real men (or teens that thought we were men) drank Mad Dog back in my
> day.
>
> The trick to drinking that was to guzzle so fast your taste buds
> didn't have a chance to make your brain revolt against it and cause
> your lips to snap shut in self-defense.
>
>
>
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> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
> Jim Kinney <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
> > schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).
>
> Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in
> Georgia I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when you
> drank from the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.
>
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You forgot Annie Green Springs

On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Steve Litt via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> I was a hippie so I drank Ripple, Boones Farm and Andre Cold Duck. When
> you make $2.50/hr and have a $70 rent, compromises must be made.
>
> SteveT
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:52:03 +0000
> "Lightner, Jeffrey" <***@dsservices.com> wrote:
>
> > Real men (or teens that thought we were men) drank Mad Dog back in my
> > day.
> >
> > The trick to drinking that was to guzzle so fast your taste buds
> > didn't have a chance to make your brain revolt against it and cause
> > your lips to snap shut in self-defense.
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
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> >
> > > Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
> > > schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).
> >
> > Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in
> > Georgia I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when you
> > drank from the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.
> >
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[Steve Litt via Ale]

(Forehead slap) How could I have forgotten Annie Green Springs?

Perhaps the same way I forgot everything that happened on August 8,
1970:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goose_Lake_International_Music_Festival

SteveT

On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 17:47:52 -0400
Pete Hardie via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> You forgot Annie Green Springs
>
> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 5:34 PM, Steve Litt via Ale <***@ale.org>
> wrote:
>
> > I was a hippie so I drank Ripple, Boones Farm and Andre Cold Duck.
> > When you make $2.50/hr and have a $70 rent, compromises must be
> > made.
> >
> > SteveT
> >
> > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 20:52:03 +0000
> > "Lightner, Jeffrey" <***@dsservices.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Real men (or teens that thought we were men) drank Mad Dog back
> > > in my day.
> > >
> > > The trick to drinking that was to guzzle so fast your taste buds
> > > didn't have a chance to make your brain revolt against it and
> > > cause your lips to snap shut in self-defense.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ale [mailto:ale-***@ale.org] On Behalf Of Steve Litt
> > > via Ale Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:28 PM
> > > To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
> > > Jim Kinney <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
> > > > schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden
> > > > Grain).
> > >
> > > Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in
> > > Georgia I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when
> > > you drank from the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.
> > >
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[Jim Lynch via Ale]

And when you were really short you drank Bali Hai, less than $1 per
bottle.  Or Canadian Ace beer, less than a $1 per 6-pack.  Go to 711 buy
a Slurpee pour out half of the liquid and fill it with Bali Hai.  I
wonder how I survived?

Jim.


On 03/22/2018 05:34 PM, Steve Litt via Ale wrote:
> I was a hippie so I drank Ripple, Boones Farm and Andre Cold Duck. When
> you make $2.50/hr and have a $70 rent, compromises must be made.
>
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[DJ-Pfulio via Ale]

Starving college student - Pearl Lite - $1.99 12-pak. Cheaper than
"plain label BEER." Only downside was the 20 min drive to the county
line to get to a liquor barn. Was living in a dry county back then.
Good part was they had a drive through barn, so nobody had to get out of
the vehicle.

After getting my first real job, I decided that life was too short to
drink bad beer, though sometimes it still happens. Sadly. Still remembe
the first sip of Moosehead - talk about nasty.


On 03/23/2018 05:52 AM, Jim Lynch via Ale wrote:
> And when you were really short you drank Bali Hai, less than $1 per
> bottle.  Or Canadian Ace beer, less than a $1 per 6-pack.  Go to 711 buy
> a Slurpee pour out half of the liquid and fill it with Bali Hai.  I
> wonder how I survived?
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

In the "starving student era" of my life, Schafers. Had to drink it
from the freezer. If it got close to fridge temp it was undrinkable.
Years went by and I started brewing ales at home. Gained a few pounds
rather quickly :-) . A friend called me to come try the new "Bud Ice"
he had picked up. I brought a few home brews.
I poured a home ale for him and he poured a Bud ice for me. My gag
reflex kicked in about as fast as I suspect it would trying to drink a
mix of gasoline, bleach, and formaldehyde. I could not swallow Bud Ice
and spit it back into the glass. My friend was "ooh-ing and aah-ing"
with my home brew and pretty much downed a pair of pints (a pale ale
and a porter knowing my recipes of the time). Then he popped a Bud Ice
and tried to take a drink. It was instantaneous and violent as he
reflexively spit the foul stuff across the room.
We loaded in my car and I took him to the home brew store.
Problem Solved (TM). :-)
On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 15:31 -0400, DJ-Pfulio via Ale wrote:
> Starving college student - Pearl Lite - $1.99 12-pak. Cheaper than
> "plain label BEER." Only downside was the 20 min drive to the county
> line to get to a liquor barn. Was living in a dry county back then.
> Good part was they had a drive through barn, so nobody had to get out
> of
> the vehicle.
>
> After getting my first real job, I decided that life was too short to
> drink bad beer, though sometimes it still happens. Sadly. Still
> remembe
> the first sip of Moosehead - talk about nasty.
>
>
> On 03/23/2018 05:52 AM, Jim Lynch via Ale wrote:
> > And when you were really short you drank Bali Hai, less than $1 per
> > bottle. Or Canadian Ace beer, less than a $1 per 6-pack. Go to
> > 711 buy
> > a Slurpee pour out half of the liquid and fill it with Bali Hai. I
> > wonder how I survived?
>
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Putnam, James M. via Ale]

May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.

Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A couple
would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze. Too many
more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and depth.

Sufficiently nasty that even Henry Weinhards Private Reserve was preferable,
if you could somehow deal with the metallic bite of cheap Cascade hops. Its
only saving grace were the TV commercials.

"We used to drink Henry Weinhards out around Zaragoza. Then it came in a
short bottle. Or was it a long bottle? Can?"

For the east coasters, Night Train and Thunderbird. Made Boone's Farm
Strawberry Hill seem somehow desirable.

--
James M. Putnam
Visiting Professor of Computer Science

The air was soft, the stars so fine,
the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
that I thought I was in a dream.
________________________________________
From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Jim Kinney via Ale [***@ale.org]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:11 PM
To: DJ-Pfulio; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

In the "starving student era" of my life, Schafers. Had to drink it from the freezer. If it got close to fridge temp it was undrinkable.

Years went by and I started brewing ales at home. Gained a few pounds rather quickly :-) . A friend called me to come try the new "Bud Ice" he had picked up. I brought a few home brews.

I poured a home ale for him and he poured a Bud ice for me. My gag reflex kicked in about as fast as I suspect it would trying to drink a mix of gasoline, bleach, and formaldehyde. I could not swallow Bud Ice and spit it back into the glass. My friend was "ooh-ing and aah-ing" with my home brew and pretty much downed a pair of pints (a pale ale and a porter knowing my recipes of the time). Then he popped a Bud Ice and tried to take a drink. It was instantaneous and violent as he reflexively spit the foul stuff across the room.

We loaded in my car and I took him to the home brew store.

Problem Solved (TM). :-)

On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 15:31 -0400, DJ-Pfulio via Ale wrote:

Starving college student - Pearl Lite - $1.99 12-pak. Cheaper than
"plain label BEER." Only downside was the 20 min drive to the county
line to get to a liquor barn. Was living in a dry county back then.
Good part was they had a drive through barn, so nobody had to get out of
the vehicle.

After getting my first real job, I decided that life was too short to
drink bad beer, though sometimes it still happens. Sadly. Still remembe
the first sip of Moosehead - talk about nasty.


On 03/23/2018 05:52 AM, Jim Lynch via Ale wrote:


And when you were really short you drank Bali Hai, less than $1 per
bottle. Or Canadian Ace beer, less than a $1 per 6-pack. Go to 711 buy
a Slurpee pour out half of the liquid and fill it with Bali Hai. I
wonder how I survived?


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[Beddingfield, Allen via Ale]

Obligatory -
"That Night Train's a mean wine".
https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/9de4b638-9e29-4738-9939-ff269668d466

--
Allen Beddingfield
Systems Engineer
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
Office 205-348-2251
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On 3/23/18, 3:42 PM, "Ale on behalf of Putnam, James M. via Ale" <ale-***@ale.org on behalf of ***@ale.org> wrote:


May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.

Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A couple
would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze. Too many
more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and depth.

Sufficiently nasty that even Henry Weinhards Private Reserve was preferable,
if you could somehow deal with the metallic bite of cheap Cascade hops. Its
only saving grace were the TV commercials.

"We used to drink Henry Weinhards out around Zaragoza. Then it came in a
short bottle. Or was it a long bottle? Can?"

For the east coasters, Night Train and Thunderbird. Made Boone's Farm
Strawberry Hill seem somehow desirable.

--
James M. Putnam
Visiting Professor of Computer Science

The air was soft, the stars so fine,
the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
that I thought I was in a dream.
________________________________________
From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Jim Kinney via Ale [***@ale.org]
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 4:11 PM
To: DJ-Pfulio; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

In the "starving student era" of my life, Schafers. Had to drink it from the freezer. If it got close to fridge temp it was undrinkable.

Years went by and I started brewing ales at home. Gained a few pounds rather quickly :-) . A friend called me to come try the new "Bud Ice" he had picked up. I brought a few home brews.

I poured a home ale for him and he poured a Bud ice for me. My gag reflex kicked in about as fast as I suspect it would trying to drink a mix of gasoline, bleach, and formaldehyde. I could not swallow Bud Ice and spit it back into the glass. My friend was "ooh-ing and aah-ing" with my home brew and pretty much downed a pair of pints (a pale ale and a porter knowing my recipes of the time). Then he popped a Bud Ice and tried to take a drink. It was instantaneous and violent as he reflexively spit the foul stuff across the room.

We loaded in my car and I took him to the home brew store.

Problem Solved (TM). :-)

On Fri, 2018-03-23 at 15:31 -0400, DJ-Pfulio via Ale wrote:

Starving college student - Pearl Lite - $1.99 12-pak. Cheaper than
"plain label BEER." Only downside was the 20 min drive to the county
line to get to a liquor barn. Was living in a dry county back then.
Good part was they had a drive through barn, so nobody had to get out of
the vehicle.

After getting my first real job, I decided that life was too short to
drink bad beer, though sometimes it still happens. Sadly. Still remembe
the first sip of Moosehead - talk about nasty.


On 03/23/2018 05:52 AM, Jim Lynch via Ale wrote:


And when you were really short you drank Bali Hai, less than $1 per
bottle. Or Canadian Ace beer, less than a $1 per 6-pack. Go to 711 buy
a Slurpee pour out half of the liquid and fill it with Bali Hai. I
wonder how I survived?


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[Steve Litt via Ale]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
"Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:

> May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
> parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
>
> Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A
> couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze.
> Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and
> depth.

Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my favorite,
King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too many
years and it killed him.


SteveT

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[Putnam, James M. via Ale]

In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I just noticed
that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key bindings... I wonder
how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to be a
relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out of a paper bag
and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been record time for me.

He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and unsteadily wandered
off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.

Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and had a look. Inside
was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe Extra Old Stock"
marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker of any kind.

An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young man. That stuff is
called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."

I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of being at least
momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed straight for the nearest
package store where I asked for and was given a can of High Test.

The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a good trick for a
Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without comment.

I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It was cold and went down
OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I almost gagged. It smelled
and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed corn and added a
shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly sweet, and for the
the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of beer without finishing it.

This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed Canadian beers for me, and
when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar reaction, but managed to
choke it down.

I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a valuable lesson that
day in which street advice about foreign libations probably ought to be paid attention
to.

--
James M. Putnam
Visiting Professor of Computer Science

The air was soft, the stars so fine,
the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
that I thought I was in a dream.
________________________________________
From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Steve Litt via Ale [***@ale.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
To: ***@ale.org
Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
"Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:

> May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
> parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
>
> Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A
> couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze.
> Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and
> depth.

Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my favorite,
King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too many
years and it killed him.


SteveT

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April 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
of the Successful Technologist
http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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[Jonathan Meek via Ale]

I am relieved to know that I am not the only one who has found the pale
Ales and IPAs to less than palatable. Mostly found oatmeal stouts be among
my favorites. Are there any good dark recommendations people have? Running
on low in my beer drawer.

Jonathan

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Putnam, James M. via Ale <***@ale.org>
wrote:

>
> In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I just
> noticed
> that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key bindings... I wonder
> how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to be a
> relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out of a paper
> bag
> and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been record time for
> me.
>
> He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and unsteadily
> wandered
> off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.
>
> Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and had a
> look. Inside
> was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe Extra Old Stock"
> marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker of any kind.
>
> An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young man. That
> stuff is
> called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."
>
> I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of being at
> least
> momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed straight for the
> nearest
> package store where I asked for and was given a can of High Test.
>
> The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a good trick
> for a
> Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without comment.
>
> I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It was cold and
> went down
> OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I almost
> gagged. It smelled
> and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed corn and
> added a
> shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly sweet, and
> for the
> the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of beer without
> finishing it.
>
> This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed Canadian beers for
> me, and
> when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar reaction, but
> managed to
> choke it down.
>
> I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a valuable lesson
> that
> day in which street advice about foreign libations probably ought to
> be paid attention
> to.
>
> --
> James M. Putnam
> Visiting Professor of Computer Science
>
> The air was soft, the stars so fine,
> the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
> that I thought I was in a dream.
> ________________________________________
> From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Steve Litt via Ale [
> ***@ale.org]
> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
> To: ***@ale.org
> Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
>
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
> "Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:
>
> > May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
> > parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
> >
> > Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A
> > couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze.
> > Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and
> > depth.
>
> Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my favorite,
> King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too many
> years and it killed him.
>
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
> April 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
> of the Successful Technologist
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
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[Putnam, James M. via Ale]

Not exactly a stout, more of a dark ale. Maybe you'd like a
Theakston's Old Peculier (sic)? It's a cask ale and one of Britain's
oldest formulations.

I think it gets better and more complex as it warms up.

--
James M. Putnam
Visiting Professor of Computer Science

The air was soft, the stars so fine,
the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
that I thought I was in a dream.
________________________________________
From: Jonathan Meek [***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 9:20 PM
To: Putnam, James M.; Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
Cc: Steve Litt
Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

I am relieved to know that I am not the only one who has found the pale Ales and IPAs to less than palatable. Mostly found oatmeal stouts be among my favorites. Are there any good dark recommendations people have? Running on low in my beer drawer.

Jonathan

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Putnam, James M. via Ale <***@ale.org<mailto:***@ale.org>> wrote:

In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I just noticed
that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key bindings... I wonder
how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to be a
relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out of a paper bag
and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been record time for me.

He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and unsteadily wandered
off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.

Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and had a look. Inside
was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe Extra Old Stock"
marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker of any kind.

An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young man. That stuff is
called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."

I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of being at least
momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed straight for the nearest
package store where I asked for and was given a can of High Test.

The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a good trick for a
Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without comment.

I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It was cold and went down
OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I almost gagged. It smelled
and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed corn and added a
shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly sweet, and for the
the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of beer without finishing it.

This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed Canadian beers for me, and
when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar reaction, but managed to
choke it down.

I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a valuable lesson that
day in which street advice about foreign libations probably ought to be paid attention
to.

--
James M. Putnam
Visiting Professor of Computer Science

The air was soft, the stars so fine,
the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
that I thought I was in a dream.
________________________________________
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Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
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Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
"Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org<mailto:***@ale.org>> wrote:

> May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
> parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
>
> Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A
> couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous haze.
> Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and
> depth.

Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my favorite,
King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too many
years and it killed him.


SteveT

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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Guiness 200th Aniversary Stout (outstanding and not like modern, US Guiness)
Highland Oatmeal Porter
Founders Porter
Sam Smith Taddy Porter
Sam Smith Imperial Stout
Harvistoun Old Engine Oil ($$$$)
New Holland Dragons Milk
New Holland The Poet

Twain's has their stout on tap. Really outstanding and available in pitchers! Their porter is very good, too. New brewer is a keeper!

A beer cocktail I created from a beer I really didn't like:

Creature Comforts Athena (tart German wheat)
Ikea blueberry or lingonberry juice concentrate
Pimm's #1

Rocks glass

Equal parts Athena and Pimm's. Juice to a rich color and to sweeten the tart. In a 6 oz glass I use about 2-3 tablespoons. Stir. It help to add juice to Pimm's, stir, then add beer and a light stir.

On March 28, 2018 9:20:22 PM EDT, Jonathan Meek via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:
>I am relieved to know that I am not the only one who has found the pale
>Ales and IPAs to less than palatable. Mostly found oatmeal stouts be
>among
>my favorites. Are there any good dark recommendations people have?
>Running
>on low in my beer drawer.
>
>Jonathan
>
>On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Putnam, James M. via Ale <***@ale.org>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I just
>> noticed
>> that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key bindings... I
>wonder
>> how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to be a
>> relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out of a
>paper
>> bag
>> and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been record
>time for
>> me.
>>
>> He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and
>unsteadily
>> wandered
>> off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.
>>
>> Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and had a
>> look. Inside
>> was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe Extra Old
>Stock"
>> marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker of any
>kind.
>>
>> An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young man.
>That
>> stuff is
>> called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."
>>
>> I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of being
>at
>> least
>> momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed straight for
>the
>> nearest
>> package store where I asked for and was given a can of High Test.
>>
>> The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a good
>trick
>> for a
>> Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without comment.
>>
>> I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It was
>cold and
>> went down
>> OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I almost
>> gagged. It smelled
>> and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed corn and
>> added a
>> shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly sweet,
>and
>> for the
>> the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of beer
>without
>> finishing it.
>>
>> This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed Canadian
>beers for
>> me, and
>> when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar reaction,
>but
>> managed to
>> choke it down.
>>
>> I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a valuable
>lesson
>> that
>> day in which street advice about foreign libations probably ought
>to
>> be paid attention
>> to.
>>
>> --
>> James M. Putnam
>> Visiting Professor of Computer Science
>>
>> The air was soft, the stars so fine,
>> the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
>> that I thought I was in a dream.
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Steve Litt via Ale [
>> ***@ale.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
>> To: ***@ale.org
>> Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
>>
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
>> "Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:
>>
>> > May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death.
>Equal
>> > parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
>> >
>> > Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide mouth. A
>> > couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous
>haze.
>> > Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration and
>> > depth.
>>
>> Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my
>favorite,
>> King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too
>many
>> years and it killed him.
>>
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> April 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
>> of the Successful Technologist
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ale mailing list
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>> https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
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>>

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[Sean via Ale]

I would add Smutty Nose Porter to this list.

Sean

On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 08:25 -0400, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
> Guiness 200th Aniversary Stout (outstanding and not like modern, US
> Guiness)
> Highland Oatmeal Porter
> Founders Porter
> Sam Smith Taddy Porter
> Sam Smith Imperial Stout
> Harvistoun Old Engine Oil ($$$$)
> New Holland Dragons Milk
> New Holland The Poet
>
> Twain's has their stout on tap. Really outstanding and available in
> pitchers! Their porter is very good, too. New brewer is a keeper!
>
> A beer cocktail I created from a beer I really didn't like:
>
> Creature Comforts Athena (tart German wheat)
> Ikea blueberry or lingonberry juice concentrate
> Pimm's #1
>
> Rocks glass
>
> Equal parts Athena and Pimm's. Juice to a rich color and to sweeten
> the tart. In a 6 oz glass I use about 2-3 tablespoons. Stir. It help
> to add juice to Pimm's, stir, then add beer and a light stir.
>
> On March 28, 2018 9:20:22 PM EDT, Jonathan Meek via Ale <***@ale.org>
> wrote:
> > I am relieved to know that I am not the only one who has found the
> > pale Ales and IPAs to less than palatable. Mostly found oatmeal
> > stouts be among my favorites. Are there any good dark
> > recommendations people have? Running on low in my beer drawer.
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Putnam, James M. via Ale <***@ale.
> > org> wrote:
> > > In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I
> > > just noticed
> > > that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key
> > > bindings... I wonder
> > > how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to be
> > > a
> > > relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out
> > > of a paper bag
> > > and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been record
> > > time for me.
> > >
> > > He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and
> > > unsteadily wandered
> > > off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.
> > >
> > > Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and
> > > had a look. Inside
> > > was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe Extra
> > > Old Stock"
> > > marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker of
> > > any kind.
> > >
> > > An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young
> > > man. That stuff is
> > > called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."
> > >
> > > I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of
> > > being at least
> > > momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed straight
> > > for the nearest
> > > package store where I asked for and was given a can of High
> > > Test.
> > >
> > > The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a
> > > good trick for a
> > > Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without
> > > comment.
> > >
> > > I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It was
> > > cold and went down
> > > OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I
> > > almost gagged. It smelled
> > > and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed corn
> > > and added a
> > > shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly
> > > sweet, and for the
> > > the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of beer
> > > without finishing it.
> > >
> > > This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed Canadian
> > > beers for me, and
> > > when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar
> > > reaction, but managed to
> > > choke it down.
> > >
> > > I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a
> > > valuable lesson that
> > > day in which street advice about foreign libations probably
> > > ought to be paid attention
> > > to.
> > >
> > > --
> > > James M. Putnam
> > > Visiting Professor of Computer Science
> > >
> > > The air was soft, the stars so fine,
> > > the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
> > > that I thought I was in a dream.
> > > ________________________________________
> > > From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Steve Litt via Ale [
> > > ***@ale.org]
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
> > > To: ***@ale.org
> > > Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
> > >
> > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
> > > "Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green
> > > Death. Equal
> > > > parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
> > > >
> > > > Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide
> > > mouth. A
> > > > couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning nauseous
> > > haze.
> > > > Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration
> > > and
> > > > depth.
> > >
> > > Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my
> > > favorite,
> > > King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over too
> > > many
> > > years and it killed him.
> > >
> > >
> > > SteveT
> > >
> > > Steve Litt
> > > April 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
> > > of the Successful Technologist
> > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Ale mailing list
> > > ***@ale.org
> > > https://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo/ale
> > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at
> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo
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> > > See JOBS, ANNOUNCE and SCHOOLS lists at
> > > http://mail.ale.org/mailman/listinfo
>
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

Absolutely!
I was just looking at the empty 4/6-pack boxs on the floor :-)
On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 15:18 -0400, Sean wrote:
> I would add Smutty Nose Porter to this list.
>
> Sean
>
> On Thu, 2018-03-29 at 08:25 -0400, Jim Kinney via Ale wrote:
> > Guiness 200th Aniversary Stout (outstanding and not like modern, US
> > Guiness)
> > Highland Oatmeal Porter
> > Founders Porter
> > Sam Smith Taddy Porter
> > Sam Smith Imperial Stout
> > Harvistoun Old Engine Oil ($$$$)
> > New Holland Dragons Milk
> > New Holland The Poet
> >
> > Twain's has their stout on tap. Really outstanding and available in
> > pitchers! Their porter is very good, too. New brewer is a keeper!
> >
> > A beer cocktail I created from a beer I really didn't like:
> >
> > Creature Comforts Athena (tart German wheat)
> > Ikea blueberry or lingonberry juice concentrate
> > Pimm's #1
> >
> > Rocks glass
> >
> > Equal parts Athena and Pimm's. Juice to a rich color and to sweeten
> > the tart. In a 6 oz glass I use about 2-3 tablespoons. Stir. It
> > help
> > to add juice to Pimm's, stir, then add beer and a light stir.
> >
> > On March 28, 2018 9:20:22 PM EDT, Jonathan Meek via Ale <***@ale.or
> > g>
> > wrote:
> > > I am relieved to know that I am not the only one who has found
> > > the
> > > pale Ales and IPAs to less than palatable. Mostly found oatmeal
> > > stouts be among my favorites. Are there any good dark
> > > recommendations people have? Running on low in my beer drawer.
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 7:45 PM, Putnam, James M. via Ale <***@al
> > > e.
> > > org> wrote:
> > > > In 1986 I was in the Vancouver for the World's Fair (hey, I
> > > > just noticed
> > > > that Outlook Web App Lite(tm) recognizes Emacs key
> > > > bindings... I wonder
> > > > how the hell that happened?) when I noticed what seemed to
> > > > be
> > > > a
> > > > relatively sober young Canadian gent take a long guzzle out
> > > > of a paper bag
> > > > and become visibly intoxicated in what would have been
> > > > record
> > > > time for me.
> > > >
> > > > He tossed the bag at a trash can, predictably missed, and
> > > > unsteadily wandered
> > > > off, presumably in search of more of whatever it was.
> > > >
> > > > Being curious and a little thirsty, I retrieved the bag and
> > > > had a look. Inside
> > > > was an empty generic beer can labeled "Carling-O'Keefe
> > > > Extra
> > > > Old Stock"
> > > > marked at 6% ABV, which while high wasn't a record breaker
> > > > of
> > > > any kind.
> > > >
> > > > An older man standing nearby said "A word of advice, young
> > > > man. That stuff is
> > > > called High Test and I wouldn't touch it if I were you."
> > > >
> > > > I thanked him for the warning and seduced by the romance of
> > > > being at least
> > > > momentarily unchaperoned in a foreign country headed
> > > > straight
> > > > for the nearest
> > > > package store where I asked for and was given a can of High
> > > > Test.
> > > >
> > > > The woman behind the counter blanched, which was kind of a
> > > > good trick for a
> > > > Canadian, but she handed it over in a paper bag without
> > > > comment.
> > > >
> > > > I stepped outside, popped it open and tried a swallow. It
> > > > was
> > > > cold and went down
> > > > OK at first, but when it warmed up the nose hit me and I
> > > > almost gagged. It smelled
> > > > and tasted like somebody had carbonated a can of creamed
> > > > corn
> > > > and added a
> > > > shot of pure grain alcohol. The aftertaste was cloyingly
> > > > sweet, and for the
> > > > the first and only time in my life I threw away a can of
> > > > beer
> > > > without finishing it.
> > > >
> > > > This frankly kind of killed the appeal of the famed
> > > > Canadian
> > > > beers for me, and
> > > > when I tried a Molson later that day I had a similar
> > > > reaction, but managed to
> > > > choke it down.
> > > >
> > > > I gather High Test is no longer made, and I learned a
> > > > valuable lesson that
> > > > day in which street advice about foreign libations probably
> > > > ought to be paid attention
> > > > to.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > James M. Putnam
> > > > Visiting Professor of Computer Science
> > > >
> > > > The air was soft, the stars so fine,
> > > > the promise of every cobbled alley so great,
> > > > that I thought I was in a dream.
> > > > ________________________________________
> > > > From: Ale [ale-***@ale.org] on behalf of Steve Litt via Ale
> > > > [
> > > > ***@ale.org]
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2018 2:09 PM
> > > > To: ***@ale.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
> > > > "Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green
> > > >
> > > > Death. Equal
> > > > > parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.
> > > > >
> > > > > Came in a cute green barrel-shaped bottle with a wide
> > > >
> > > > mouth. A
> > > > > couple would reduce you to a sort of stomach-churning
> > > > > nauseous
> > > >
> > > > haze.
> > > > > Too many more than that induced a hangover epic for duration
> > > >
> > > > and
> > > > > depth.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, in Venice CA Green Death was the main competitor of my
> > > > favorite,
> > > > King Cobra. I had a buddy who drank too much green death over
> > > > too
> > > > many
> > > > years and it killed him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SteveT
> > > >
> > > > Steve Litt
> > > > April 2018 featured book: Troubleshooting Techniques
> > > > of the Successful Technologist
> > > > http://www.troubleshooters.com/techniques
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Ale mailing list
> > > > ***@ale.org
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Steve Litt via Ale]

On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 20:42:03 +0000
"Putnam, James M. via Ale" <***@ale.org> wrote:

> May be a little West Coast, but Ranier Ale, aka Green Death. Equal
> parts cheap, strong, vile, and slightly caustic.

And isn't it telling that the mailing list on which we discuss all
these brews is called [ale].

SteveT

Steve Litt
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of the Successful Technologist
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[Steve Litt via Ale]

I lived in Chicago til I was 30, and a week didn't go by where somebody
didn't sing the praises of this beer available in Colorado called
Coors. Everyone wanted Coors. People coming back from Colorado could
buy Coors in Colorado and sell it in Chicago at a 4x markup.

One day someone gave me a can of Coors from Colorado. As I cracked it
open, and as I moved toward my first sip, my anticipation
crescendoed. That first sip went down so, so, OH DAM IT WAS
WATERED DOWN RAT PISS! I couldn't finish the $4.00 (Chicago market) can.

On moving to California, where Coors is available in any store, I tried
another Coors, because maybe that first can had been bad or I'd been in
a bad mood or something. Nope, same watered down rat piss as in Chicago.

I'm OK with Bud, Schlitz, Pabst, Old Milwaukee, Miller, and no-brand
beer. I can hang with Regnier Ale, King Cobra, Olde English Ale, Colt
45, or Schlitz Malt Liquor. Just keep me away from Coors.

SteveT



On Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:11:23 -0400
Jim Kinney via Ale <***@ale.org> wrote:

> In the "starving student era" of my life, Schafers. Had to drink it
> from the freezer. If it got close to fridge temp it was undrinkable.
> Years went by and I started brewing ales at home. Gained a few pounds
> rather quickly :-) . A friend called me to come try the new "Bud Ice"
> he had picked up. I brought a few home brews.
> I poured a home ale for him and he poured a Bud ice for me. My gag
> reflex kicked in about as fast as I suspect it would trying to drink a
> mix of gasoline, bleach, and formaldehyde. I could not swallow Bud Ice
> and spit it back into the glass.
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[Jim Kinney via Ale]

On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 20:52 +0000, Lightner, Jeffrey via Ale wrote:
> Real men (or teens that thought we were men) drank Mad Dog back in my
> day.
>
> The trick to drinking that was to guzzle so fast your taste buds
> didn't have a chance to make your brain revolt against it and cause
> your lips to snap shut in self-defense.
>
>
>
Like the way Jaggermeister initiates the gag reflex....
>
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> From: Ale [mailto:ale-***@ale.org] On Behalf Of Steve Litt via Ale
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2018 4:28 PM
> To: Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts
> Subject: Re: [ale] Way-the-hell-and-gone off topic
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2018 16:02:20 -0400
> Jim Kinney <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
Extra points? Sheesh! I'd be embarrassed (says the former high
schooler making "hunch punch" with Kool-Aide and Golden Grain).

>
> Yeah, Venice California is *a lot* different from any place in Georgia I've ever been. In Venice, it was extra points, and when you drank from the bag, everyone knew you were home team 90291.
>
> SteveT
>
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Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you
gain at one end you lose at the other. It's like feeding a dog on his
own tail. It won't fatten the dog.
- Speech 11/23/1900 Mark Twain

http://heretothereideas.blogspot.com/

[Neal Rhodes via Ale]

According to the Busch brewery in Jacksonville, neither Mr. Anheuser nor
Mr. Busch were brewers. One was a businessman, the other a salesman of
equipment to breweries.

Their goal was to create a single beer that

- would offend the fewest number of people
- hence could be brewed in the largest quantities, and shipped
over large distances by rail.
- to maximize economies of scale.


Hence the "beechwood aging" to remove ...... taste.


OTOH, Guiness managed to brew strong beers which they distributed via
ship.

On Thu, 2018-03-22 at 14:42 -0400, Sean Kilpatrick via Ale wrote:

> Why Americans are so hooked on bland beer:
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